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2005-12-07 13:31:37 - Sergey
Mr. MayankAggarwal,
I think you've heavily broken RentACoder's policy and therefore such a strict penalty has been imposed.
Can you show URL of your RentACoder's account ?
2005-10-19 01:49:41 -
RentaCoder gobbled up all the money nearly 600$ issued a heavy penalty and finally terminated my account and so went my 6 months of work on thes site.
Think again will Rentacoder pay you.
2005-08-11 15:30:44 -
you are invited to discuss internet fraud online by rentacoder.com at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/fraudbyrentacoder
2005-08-09 23:32:26 -
Samers, Just posting here publicly what we already discussed privately. The reason your posting on the Yahoo group wasn't approved is that it wasn't applicable to the topic of the group (which was to inform Pakistinis of what Amir had done, talk about some of the email from buyers about their incorrect perceptions that had about Pakis after seeing what Amir had written, and then coming up with ideas on what should be done about the situation). Also, the other reason is that in your posting you did say that you hadn't read any of the background information before making up your mind, so it was not an informed opinion and your opinion was prejudged.
As far as the release of information, as was indicated in the Yahoo group (unfortunately part of the information you skipped reading) there is a clause in Amir's contract that allows release of if once he comits fraud. For the 99.99% of site users who are honest and ethical, this clause is not a problem for them because they would never break it.
2005-08-09 02:21:01 -
Hi,
RAC is good, I am one of the top coders on RAC (from Pakistan). As about Tayyab Issue, I havent read all conversation but still I says he is wrong. Here is the reason WHY?.
When we work on RAC, we agree on that if some problem comes, then the facilitator will solve that and we will accept that. If for some reason, either was right or wrong, he must accept it. In my life on RAC, I also faced some arbitrations and I found bad rating (that was the only project). I believe I was right and facilitator made a wrong decision, but I still accepted that since I already agreed on that.
But onething is really bad about RAC now. I think we must need explaination, that is, RAC has a privacy policy, that means, he will never expose our personal information which he did in Tayyab's case. That is wrong and I believe RAC must avoid this in future. I wrote messages on the newly created group on Yahoo by Ian, but my messages were blocked. Thats means they are posting only one sided messages in which people write in their favor.
At the end, I must say that a good programmer/free lancer must avoid such arbitration and must try to solve problems without it. Believe me, buyer is more important for them as compared to coders.
Sameers (theAngrycodeR)
2005-08-09 01:58:37 - RAC Coder
Hi
I think its no gain getting in to this. Just don’t waste time and get to work.
RAC is a good platform and Pakistani Coders are the best. No doubts. There are bad fishes every where.
Bye
2005-08-08 22:40:16 -
I have just got the mail from Ian Ippolito.I am a Pakistani coder and the guy who posted this fake message is wrong. The people at RAC (http://www.rentacoder.com)are quite friendly and there does exist a safe escrow system at RAC. I have completed 10 projects at RAC and RAC arbitrators are fully cooperative. The buyers can be bad but theres no possiblity of you getting cheated by some one due to the arbitration method.
I love RAC because of being the most secure freelancers website. I have been posting bids on RAC for the last ten days but I was not getting even a single response. I just got free from my exams and tried to get some free lance work as it is my hobby and profession, but I was wondering why anybody is not responding; I came to know the reason today.
I have some very good buyers and they still offer me the jobs at RAC through the project bid invitation but no new buyers. This is only due to this single guy.
Very sad situation. Its a bad situation for all of Pakistani coders inclusing me as we most of the guys are working hard to earn some money on RAC and a single bad step of a bad person has tuned down allour efforts.
Regards,
Fahd Murtaza
2005-08-08 21:48:20 - Zeeshan Arshad
I'm a TOP CODER and have completed many projects without any PROBLEM AT ALL.
AAMIR, I don't understand what's wrong with just $85 that you are behaving like that and trying to show a PAKISTANI person does like this?
Will you be RICH to get such amount? OR Why are you behaving in this manner? MAN, this isn't last project of the universe and then why are you wasting your time and efforts for NO REASON???
Many of PAKISTANI TALENT come on RAC and doing business so because of YOUR such behaviors that's totally BAD and nothing else!!!
Try to understand my friend, the BUYER has gone, but YOU ARE ON SCREEN. RAC won't get BAD as they are OK with ME and thousands of programmers.
I hope you would think about it.
fiamanAllah!
2005-08-08 21:35:57 -
We Belong from Pakistan and get many project from RAC. we found RAC always sincere for us, they always deside all things honestly, We are going perfect at rac becouse we complete all project in excellent way . so i think you cant complete your project in excelent way there for you face this thing. so be professional and then come at RAC, at rac many pakistany coder working and providing excellent projects. so we found RAC perfectly
2005-06-26 23:55:50 -
hmm.... so i see someone faking my identity and posting things without my knowledge.. hmm.... good.. someone here wants to play it bad due to his/her nature... sorry..not interested.
however, the truth of the story is published online at http://rentacoderfraud.bravehost.com for those who are interested in knowing rentacoder.com
take care and protect genuince coders from being defrauded by sites like rentacoder.com
amir
2005-03-08 09:50:20 -
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Public Record
Arbitration Summary for project Marketing Research on website www.RentACoder.com
Buyer: safrica2
Seller: Amir Ali Tayaab of Zen Marketing ( http://www.softwarepk.com )
Issue: Alleged fraud by Amir Ali Tayaab (seller) by safrica2 (buyer)
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1) Amir Ali Tayyab entered into arbitration because the project he did for safrica2 (the buyer) was a marketing project. He was to determine the top 5 companies by market share in several markets and do reports. While safrica2 received reports, he suspected Amir had not done proper research because the top companies he expected were not his list. So he asked RAC to investigate.
2) In arbitration Amir Ali Tayyab admitted that he had not done any research but "relied on his 15 years of knowledge" as well as allegedly calling some companies...at expense to him from Pakistan. He was informed that while calling companies from Pakistan was admirable, it was a strategy doomed to failure because unless he could call every company in the market and get them to provide an accurate statement of their market share (which none will do), he would not get the information he needed to start.
He was also informed that relying on his 15 years of knowledge for something that changes from month to month and quarter to quarter was also an inappropriate way to do research.
3) When told his top 5 companies by market share were not acceptable, Amir then threatened to take this to the BBB (Better Business Bureau), Square trade and publish false statements on every internet newsgroup if his poor rating were not removed. He was warned that giving into these kinds of threats would introduce severe bias into the arbitration system. So we could not falsify the account. So he did...as you can see from Google.
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https://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/AmirAliTayyab/RentACoder/AmirAliTayyab_RentACoder.htm
2005-02-10 20:45:34 - Sergey
I am RentACoder Top Coder.
I have been involved into arbitration/mediation 13 times.
It's OK for me.
RentACoder protect me from not good buyers.
> Since the website rentacoder.com
> charges almost 40% or even more in shape of fees ...
Where are you get this "info"? RentACoder charges 7.5% - 15%
http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/Docs/FindersFeeComissionSchedule.asp
2005-02-08 03:27:41 -
This situation (arbitration not being so just), because of the great value of each buyer in comparison to coder's. Freelance site would rather lost 10 coders than 1 buyer, so this HAS to lead to not being fair when it comes to decide who's right.
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