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2004-08-07 03:33:43 -
Does it really mean anything that these sites advertised they were 100% legal and within the laws of the U.S.C.?
2004-08-07 00:34:52 -
Yes exploitation is a terrible, so stop bying those Nike shoes, made by exploited kids!
It is so easy to point your fingers, because of some nude pictures, but go to China or India or ... and you will seee millions of unhappy kids, but this is big bussiness for US, so nobody cares, in the LS photos i have seen, there where only happy faces!
2004-08-07 00:31:28 - Nabokov
I am continuously astonished by the number of people who have clear and definite opinions and comments on sites they never visited and forums they never contributed to. But, never mind, nothing can be said to make these people reconsider their thoughts, reformulate their statements or rethink their conclusions.
One thing, though, I wish you all to reflect on. Are these children, these models, better of now that their source of income is gone? If taking your panties off, spreading your legs has proven to be a secure, steady and huge (compared to average wages in the Ukraine) source of income since you were eight, or even younger, how will you make sure that you and your family can rely on the continuation of that income?
Are these children and their families indeed better of, or will other, harder forms of abuse be sought in order to make a comparable amount of money?
Knowing that careful reading is rare, I would like to stress that this is not an excuse for the abuse that has taken place, in whatever form, or the social and economical function of such abuse. But, please, take a moment to think of the consequences for these children and their families.
2004-08-06 06:18:53 - KuatO
Its funny how these people keep calling it "simple nudity". Are you that much of a moron? Or are you still just stuck in trying to justify your addictions to child pornography? Nude photos of children that are legal, are usually those that are candid, taken by parents, for their own family photo album. Material that has an intent to sexually glorify young children, and distribute to large masses of pedophiles and so called "art lovers"... Pfffft, is plainly illegal and porn. Staged strip teases, consintration of the genitalia, make-up and clothing like that of a vegas whore, countless inuendos and touching....
I feel sorry for this very small and sick crowd of people that will keep trying to convince themselves that this commercial sexual exploitation of children is art, or just simple nudity. Get real, and pull your hand out of your pants.
And to you lolilover, its no wonder you spill your worthless beans about crazy "koo koo" bs garbage. The net is probably the only place you can vent, where other worthless people like yourself will listen. Get a life and get educated.
KuatO
2004-08-06 04:11:42 - Robert K.
Here's what I've heard from very reliable sources:
- L.E. Agencies became more interested as the LS sites became more explicit: such as the still photos and videos involving explicit showing of the genitals. These were "LS Magazine", and some other sites. The material in question was referred to as "spreads". Some of the girls are as young as eight. These close-up, high resolution spreads were shocking (surely there isn't much interest in preteen gynecology?).
- There are other still picture sites run by this group with close-ups, but none as explicit or high quality as LS Magazine. There were many LS sites.
- There were some underage teen girls doing very explicit spreads and a few "butterflys" (finger spreads, I believe).
- There was a forum for all the sites where subscribers encouraged the site operators to do more explicit material, and the site owners were complying to some extent.
- One or more girls "graduated" to a hardcore site called "Teenfuns" where insertions of dildos were often shown. It's questionable if these girls were over 18. The connection to LS Studios is not known.
- There is a rumor that the group will be back in business and operating as usual in a few weeks. I doubt this.
- The status of the customer list is not definitely known. If it gets to the U.S. LEAs, there may be search warrants. Whether local U.S. Attorneys or state D.A.'s would prosecute this is doubtful unless there is other CP material, distribution, etc. found in the searches.
- Girls were paid $10-$40 per hour. Average pay was $400 per month. They often were the main support of their families. This is very high pay in Ukraine. Some girls did this for a few years on several sites and had a "following".
There are several laws involved. Subscribers in the U.S. may be seen to have conspired in the exploitation of these girls. Downloading it might be CP, but that angle is pretty thin.
The customer list could be also be used for a future "sting".
2004-08-05 00:31:50 - Suicidal person
What kind of headline is this...a "child porn ring"?
LS was not a child "porn" ring. Do they even know what porn is? The last time I checked, porn was not images of girls in clothing or even just being simply nude. Do you not realize that these children had the permission of their parents? No one forced these kids or teens to do anything. Now that would've been wrong. I would've disagreed with that. The LEA over there knew about LS and the FBI knew about these sites too.
I find this entire thing odd because all of a sudden after years of being online, Interpol has some meeting bashing LS and now they are gone. This was so political. Because if they were really targeting this type of business, they would have taken down BD too. They were still up a couple of days ago.
You (KuatO)can't say that the FBI will be handing 5 year sentences to anyone that subscribed to the sites because half of the material on LS was non nude which IS 100% legal. They even had whole non nude LS sites that are now down. Are members of those sites getting 5 year sentences too for looking at fully clothed girls? I don't think so. For one, supposedly LS encrypted all of their customers information so unless they willingly give it up, that should be protected. Secondly, their sites stated that the sites were legal under US laws. I doubt everyone of their customers were lawyers. How were they supposed to know the sites were illegal if the sites have been up for years and without knowing what the content was before they subscribed? Just because you (KuatO) don't agree with a kid modeling doesn't mean that it is illegal. I don't even know if governements know if that LS material is illegal yet. I'm sure after an ivestigation, they will find some of the material to be illegal but a MAJORITY of it will not be.
There is a forum like Balrog's that intelligently discusses Ukraine and Russian models. This forum is for people that appreciate Ukr and Rus models and to speak of current events such as these. The link is...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ukraine_Russian_teenmodels/
2004-08-04 22:46:08 - Lolilover for ever
KuatO you will loss your war! and do you know why? because you are a loser in nature , you and others like you think you can fix the world while you can't fix your own selfes , you think that you are a sinles man! what can't you watch a naked child!! ok but you don't want others to watch too! now that called dictatorship , KuatO you are dictatorial man , you and many others like you want to control us and dictate what we should see and what we should not see . KuatO you will loss cause dictators always loss .
2004-08-04 00:55:59 -
Other-that is the site. You become a member and then you can post and view all the topics.
2004-08-04 00:24:17 -
balrog, how do i get to your site. please provide a url. i went there but its just a lot of postings. is there a thread?
2004-08-03 19:36:36 -
KuatO_ thanks for visiting my site and being the first member
The US laws are gray as to what is meant by "lacivious display of genitils" so I cannot answer your question as to what will happen to those who have subscribed. Maybe something, maybe nothing. I do know one thing though, if you subscribed to these sites and your intentions were not honorable, get yourself some help before your obsession drives you to hurt children. The innocence that children hold is theirs to do with what they want, to give it up when they choose, in the enviroment they choose, not because someone with a mental problem wants to see that innocence in the physical form.
2004-08-03 18:20:00 -
I guess the big question is - there seems to be a number of people on this board that have subscribed to ls sites - is this the beginning of a massive witch hunt that will destroy the lives of people that dont think of this as cp - that subscribed to websites that advertised themselves as legal per u.s. statues? I have recently read usc 2252 - do the ls sites fall within the lacivious display of genitils - not the stuff i saw - but could the ls sites could go either way. I also read somewhere there is a U.S. code that can charge non-U.S. citizens with selling this child porn in the U.S. via computer channels. So is this action over? Is the sites being shut down the end of the investigation?
Comments / opinions on the future of this shutdown?
2004-08-03 18:09:43 - Mark
Another comment to be added to the back and forth, but I'll add it, and you can take it as it is, or tell me to take a flying...
Okay, I look at and save these pics from these sites, I pay for them, live in the US, have a girlfriend who enjoys the pics more than I do, who was actually the one who introduced me to these sites, and I have a daughter from a previous marriage. I myself am a photographer who does appreciate the charm and openness of a nude model, whether the age be 8 or 88.
I've also been on legal-aged porn shoots, I've been on modeling shoots, I've been on commercial shoots, I've been around, and never had I seen such outrage over what is still unknown.
Surely anything, could be exploitive. Surely the photography on such sites could be exploitive, surely it could be porn, surely it could be called simple nudity, surely it could be called a thousand other things under the sun. I agree that I have seen some pretty tasteless sets, but nothing pornographic. Erotic? Yes. It may or not be art, I don't call myself an artist, and don't want to define what art is, because that will differ from person to person, I don't want to claim that this is art, because at best it probably isn't. But to call anything available on these sites porn just seems absurd to me. Exploitive? No arguement here on that one.
2004-08-03 12:40:08 -
Kuat0 - Are you saying every single person that ever subscribed to an LS website over the past 3 years will eventually be charged with a minimum 5 year prison sentence. Is that really the way things have worked in the past?
2004-08-03 08:00:38 -
Kuat0 - I agree with you in principle - that exploiting anyone is wrong. I don't know how much money the LS models received. I assume that they aren't kidnapping the children so this means the parents are responsible. But I don't think nudity is exploitive. It is the people that go up to a happy 17 year old and say that she should feel victimized, traumatized and exploited just because she wanted to model nude that are the sick ones.
2004-08-03 05:26:17 - KuatO
Great comments balrog. I would have to fully agree with much of what you say. Nowhere in any of my past comments did I say nudity is shameful. It only appears that way to the defensive.
The fact of the matter is, LS sites were in place to exploit children sexually. Whether it was for money or not, doesnt matter. It was simply mass production of exploitive, but not 'explicit' (based on ONE US law) child pornography. I happen to know the ring leader was a young man in his mid 20's, as well as many of the others involved. Still, I would have to agree, there is no hard evidence yet. Why? Maybe because the investigation is ongoing you think? This one hit will lead to many others for sure. Paying for the sites will get you a charge, just the same as storing them on your computer Most places it would be a minimum of 5 years like what was previously stated. Although that shouldnt be a factor in a persons decission to aid in the sexual exploitations of a child. Also more charges would be tacked on for distribution as well. Also in the US there are laws of aiding in the exploitation of a child. Most of these sites will falsly hide behind one law in particular, but there are plenty others they manage to forget about. More like subfolders of laws under section 18, and other various sections. And believe me, authorities will dig up every charge they can against a person who aides in the distribution and pleasure of child pornography. LS sites were run by a lot of guys in their 20's. Even many of the past images could be traced back to whoever purchased the canon cameras.
Reasons for such delays? Politics like others said, but more so organized crime, elusivness and lack of technology in more undeveloped regions. Other countries dont have the technology or man power, or even laws for that matter, to catch up with the times.
KuatO
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